15 comments

  1. misterstory

    Oh my good lord. Ouch. This. Is. … OOOOOOOoofffff! I am loving this. Two of my favourite things, De La Soul and Wu Forever samples. Just googled Wu Forever and it was released in 97 that’s 17 years ago and very scary. Thanks for sharing brother Nolan. You are my eyes and ears on Hip Hop. For this, I thank you good Sir.

  2. David Allison

    Not actually feeling this much, but my word am loving the De La albums I downloaded from them at the weekend. Haven’t heard …is Dead or Stakes is High for YEARS and good god, they sound so good and so fresh. Is it me or are they criminally underrated?

    And as a wider note – and hell, this is a whole debate on its own – why the fuck does hip hop ignore its history and its elder statesmen? Public Enemy have a bigger – and largely white – fanbase here than in the US these days. WTF? Answers, please.

  3. misterstory

    I can’t stop listening to this.

    Stakes is High is a great album. I got the text from Nolan about the free downloads but was with the in-laws all weekend with no access. I think I have all but one anyway. Nice effort from them though and a nice way to create some buzz ahead of a new release.

    Does Hip Hop ignore it’s elder statesmen? I’ve always thought that as genre’s go its the most self referencing with constant lines borrowed and tweaked by way of dedication. I think the question as to why Public Enemy are so over looked is spot on though. Were they so time-specific? Is it the politics?

  4. whyohwhyohwhy

    I liked this quote a bit, even though it’s not the sort of thing I’ve actually stumble across. Having said that, i’ve downloaded the back catalogue. It’s something I’d like to get into more, even though my hip-hop listening time is pretty restricted at the best of times. I still listen to 90% old stuff, so this suits me down to the ground.

  5. David Allison

    I think hip hop DOES ignore its elder statesmen/women. When was the last time you heard Jay-Z talking about KRS-One? And yes, the Native Tongues era stuff is 2nd/3rd generation, but it’s weirdly overlooked. I think that Q-Tip, Jungle Bros and the like were a real high point for the whole movement – their rhymes and beats were fantastic and they dug out samples from the craziest places – and their lyrics were about stuff and it felt optimistic and positive. And then gangsta came along and killed it all dead. Think about how white rock goes ON AND ON about its past, constantly comparing one thing to another (Britpop to Bowie to Beatles to Elvis etc etc etc). I don’t think rap does that in the same way.

    Finally, totally agree that, with Public Enemy, it’s about the politics. Nothing less fashionable now with message hip-hop, except of the most fatuous kind. Heard Chuck D being interviewed about it recently and he just sounded sad. šŸ˜¦

  6. nolankane706

    Brother David.. sometimes I swear you’re trying to wind me up.

    Lets tackle your pointsā€¦.

    Jay-Z’s “The Blueprint” was in title a homage to KRS One’s “Ghetto Music, The Blue Print of Hip Hop”. He liked it so much he did 3 albums under the Blueprint banner.

    Hip Hop didn’t stop making amazing music when Gangsta Rap came onto the scene. It was a voice like many other types of music. Said particular voice was purchased by many and made it popular. Brit Pop took over from grunge but Pearl Jam still made music and so did De La and Tribe.

    NWA were out not long after Public Enemy and both were at their hight at the same time. Arguably the NWA legecy gave more back to music. Public Enemy didn’t do much to build artists, they stayed together and did their thing. NWA broke up and all had succesful careers on their own and ALSO gave back by bringing in new artists to the game: Ice Cube introduced us to Westside connection, Easy E brought us Bone Thugs and Harmony and Dr Dre MADE the west coast sound with Snoop, Warren G, Nate Dogg, Lady Of Rage, Dogg Pound, Snoop Dogg and Tupac through Death Row Records. He later started Aftermath and brought us Eminem, 50 Cent, The Game, Kendric Lemar and re-introduced us to the legends that are Rakim and Mary J Blidge.

    Whilst on the West and Gansta Rapā€¦. so much non Gansta has come from the west over the same time span: The Pharcyde, Del, Souls of Mischief, Tha Alkaholiks, and later Jurrassic 5, People Under The Stairs, Dilated Peoples and so on.

    Hip Hop has changed, and moved on. It’s a movement that is arguably the sound of multiple generations. But one that has always respected its roots and stil supports its own. Tribe Called Quest are still massive and they rarely even speak! De La Soul still headline some of the world’s biggest festivals. Grand Master Flash is arguably a bigger DJ than he has ever been and so are Kool Herc and Melle Mel.

    If you read the liner notes of most hip hop albums the artists always thanks their mentors and infuences consistently. It’s in the cultureā€¦. You rarely see this in non hip hop album liner notes.

    Rock is now based on campairing old and new.. because it’s running out of ideas. Hip Hop arguably still has time and room to grow.

    For a genre that is at least 25 years behind most I think that it has done well at making a mark and respecting its elders.

    Boom! Bye, by. Hip Hop will never die!- KRS One

    I’ll be running by your house in about 10 minutes Brother David if you want to give me a high 5 on my way by. x

    • misterstory

      Ha ha. Thats great. I read David’s comment today at work on my phone via the email update and for some reason though it was Nolan’s comment. Since then I’ve been writing a very confused response in my head as to why Nolan Hip Hop Kane was making such a blunder and actually naming Jay Z as not referencing KRS One! But now its all clear, it was David, not Nolan and Nolan’s response to David was much better than mine would have been to him.

      ‘Rock N Roll could never Hip Hop like this’ Boom! he he he

      Love this blog

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